Higher Being Bodies 

an interview with Ocke de Boer 

Ocke is the author of the book Higher being Bodies, which is based on a non-dualistic approach to the Fourth Way.  

Ever since hearing the song, ‘Why Are We Sleeping’ by Kevin Ayers when he was a teenager, Ocke realized that reality was different to what he had learnt and wanted to wake up. He became a sailor when he was 16, worked in a youth prison when he was 20 and then started to read Ouspensky and Gurdjieff. “This was like coming home,” he says.

In this interview, he talks about applying sacred ideas and explains ‘coating', the dual-nature of human beings.  We have a physical body composed of material from the Earth and a Kesdjan body which is composed of matter from the solar system.

“I am the absence of my presence and I am the absence of the presence of my presence.”

Iain McNay's complete interview with Ocke is now available on Conscious TV through this link. 

Being Knowing Being

an interview with Deborah Westmoreland 

Deborah Westmoreland is a poet, a spiritual teacher and the author of Being Knowing Being, which is an upcoming book of spiritual essays.  

After several tragedies, her big question was "How can I end suffering?"  She was sick and tired of Deborah.  Her mind was too busy to sit in meditation so she started doing running meditations...to find the moment, never got ahead of her breath, nor behind.  She disconnected from all her belief structures and attachments until she awakened one day, and realized that she had always been in Heaven.  

In Deborah's words "You have to become disinterested in the character, not interested in the story. Suffering is optional, it’s self-imposed.”  

Deborah has never had a spiritual teacher, nor followed any teaching.

Renate McNay's complete interview with Deborah is now available on Conscious TV through this link. 

Only This Emptiness

an interview with Bart Marshall 

In the Vietnam War, a mortar landed nearby that blew Bart into a clear and brilliant blackness that “Felt like home. I would have gladly stayed in that blackness but instead I was brought back into a world I could no longer view in the same way.” 

When he returned in 1968, he experimented with LSD, read everything he could find that might offer clues to what had happened to him, studied meditation and attended workshops.  After 20 years, he hit a wall as a seeker and then met the teacher Richard Rose with whom he studied for 5 years. It was after a weekend with Douglas Harding that a breakthrough finally happened. 

“Being the source of everything that is nothing - everything and nothing, only this emptiness.”

Iain McNay's complete interview with Bart is now available on Conscious TV through this link. 

The Matrix of Silence

an Interview with Thomas Mueller

Thomas Mueller is the author of The Natural Health Matrix: Eastern Wisdom for Western Minds. He is an Ayurvedic practitioner, meditation and yoga teacher and the founder of AYUWAVE.  

In this interview, he tells us about his journey for health and peace and his path to waking up. He spent 10 years in the Ashram of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at the Vedic University in Holland and taught Ayurvedic therapies, meditation and yoga to hundreds of students around the globe. One of the significant lessons for him was TRUST and listening to the song of silence which became the Matrix, leading him to an incredible source of energy and peace. 

You can watch Renate McNay's complete interview with Thomas on Conscious TV by clicking on this link